Posts Tagged ‘Science & Religion’

July 30 1965

Friday, July 30th, 1965


Shunryū Suzuki-rōshi


Friday, July 30, 1965

Lecture B

Soko-ji Temple, San Francisco

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Tape operator: The sentence about “your mind”[1] was in the meditation before breakfast, and beginning here is the instruction at nine o’clock Friday morning.

Suzuki-rōshi: I have to give the conclusion to my talk for this sesshin.  The science or philosophy is like a dissection.  It is possible to analyze what we did after we did something [1 word].  But it is already dead corpse [laughs]—dead corpse of our practice.  So even though you analyze what you have done, it will not work.  It will not help you so much.  It is nearly the same as to count your lost child’s age [laughs].  So we cannot help counting our lost boy’s age.  It is our nature, but actually it will not help us so much.

So the most important thing is to understand our true mind or inmost nature in our practice.  How we understand our actual mind is the most important point—should be the most important point.  That is why Zen emphasize to live on each moment.


July 27 1965 2nd Talk

Tuesday, July 27th, 1965


Shunryū Suzuki-rōshi


Tuesday, July 27, 1965

Soko-ji Temple, San Francisco

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In our way of Zen, we emphasize the way-seeking mind—way-seeking mind.  This is, in another word, bodhisattva-mind or way-seeking mind.  In Zen, people say “way it is” or “to observe everything as it is.”  But “the way as it is” or “to observe things as they are” will not be the same what you mean by that.  I don’t know what—how do you understand “to observe everything as it is.”  I find out there are big misunderstanding in your understanding of “way it is” or “to observe things as it is.”


July 27 1965

Tuesday, July 27th, 1965

Shunryū Suzuki-rōshi


Tuesday, July 27, 1965

San Francisco

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For a long time after Renaissance, you have forgotten the value of religion.  You try to exchange religion for, you know, science and philosophy.  You—you are Christian [laughs], but actually what you have been doing is to replace [laughs] science to religion—to exchange science.  And you wanted to establish, you know, human culture, which is quite free from [laughs] authority of religion.  You have quite good reason [laughs] in your effort to try to exchange or try to reform your culture before it is too dark [laughs].  Now it is too bright [laughs].  You went to the—too extreme, I think [laughs].

But recently, even though you have excellent—very advanced culture, but there is something—there is something which you don’t know what to do—or that is your mind [laughs].  You don’t know what to do with this mind.  You have various tools, but you have no mind to use it [laughs].  That is your problem, I think.  And we, you know, we Japanese people studied what is our mind [laughs], but we have enough tools [laughs], so we become attached to your civilization too much and almost forgetting what we have studied [laughing].  That is our problem just now.  So combination of the two will create something wonderful, I think (more…)

July 26 1965 2nd Talk

Monday, July 26th, 1965


Shunryū Shunryū Suzuki-rōshi


Monday, July 26, 1965

Lecture D

Soko-ji Temple, San Francisco

Listen to this talk: Suzuki-roshi 65-07-26 2nd Talk

Recently I find many problems concerning to religious problem, such as psychology or LSD or the problem of how to bring about complete peace.  Those problems are most important problems in present day, I think.  In our system of Zen—Zen philosophy—I’m not emphasizing philosophy, but when we have discussion, there must be some system or else our discussion will [not] result [in] anything.  So I just want to present you some system.

As you know, our problem—the most important basic construction of culture may be science.  Science is very important.  And—but science just study or treat outward object, as a object of study.  And—but—and science will result [in a] materialistic understanding of life.  But whether our human being is spiritual or material is big problem, which has been discussed for a long, long time.  We have no conclusion to it yet:  We are [are we] spiritual or material [laughs]?  Our mental function is just attribute of body, or our mental—spiritual function is basic function for human being.  And this kind of problem is not solved completely.