Tuesday Evening, July 20, 1971
I wanted to see you earlier, but I was too busy so I couldn’t come.
Can you hear me? Can you hear me?
Anyway, it is very good to see you and Tassajara, which has improved a lot since I left here. Tonight my—I didn’t have any idea of giving talk, but I—as, you know, we have many guests and some of you may leave tomorrow, so I decided to talk a little bit—maybe I said ten minutes [laughs]. But it is rather difficult to say something in ten minutes, so I don’t know how many minutes my lecture last.
What I want to talk about tonight is something—some idea or some understanding of Buddhist which is not—may not be unfamiliar to you.
We observe things in two ways. We understand things has two—two side. One is phenomenal side; the other is, maybe, more ontological side. Something—some—most of us, you know, understand things from the light of difference, like big or small, black or—black and white, material or spiritual.
Usually, maybe, spiritual— If we say “spiritual,” usually it is something which is not material. But, according to Buddhism, even though you say “spiritual” that is, you know, not much different from—different of physical or materialistic side. “Spiritual” or “materialistic” we say, but those are, according to Buddhism, not much different. It belongs to the understanding of phenomenal side of the reality—spiritual too, spiritual understanding too include phenomenal understanding.