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February 1st, 1970, 2nd talk

Sunday, February 1st, 1970

Suzuki-roshi and Katagiri-roshi (I think at the Mountain Seat Ceremony of Zentatsu Baker)

Shunryū Suzuki-rōshi


Sunday, February 1, 1970

Listen to this talk: Suzuki-roshi 70-02-01 second talk


Sesshin is almost—sesshin has almost completed.  In this sesshin, we have learned many things.  I want to—can you hear me?—I want to, you know, say something about what I noticed.


Here we are—each one of us is a cook.  In turn we work in the kitchen, and here, you know, in zendō we take care of this zendō by ourselves mostly.  Right now, we carrying our stick in turn, and I want—I explained, you know, how to eat brown rice, you know.  The more you chew it, you will have the taste of the brown rice.  And in zendō, you are food [laughs].  You are rice and vegetables from various states, and we must cook ourselves [laughs], you know, some way.  That is what actually we are doing.


I haven’t realized how important the—to carry the stick is.  I think that is actually not only carrying the stick, but carrying the stick is, you know, how to, you know, cook ourselves.  It is actually to chew ourselves.  But effect is more strong—stronger than just to chew.  And as a, you know, at the moment you get slap, you know, you, you know, you—you die, you know, in past life and appears in new world.


We say, you know, “form is emptiness and emptiness is form.”  And Yoshimura-sensei,[1]  the other day, explaining about soku ze—form—soku ze ku.[2]   Soku ze means, he explain, that is “conversion”—the conversion, you know, without changing anything to convert one to the other.


Another thing is soku ze:  when you get slap, at that moment big, you know, conversion take place in your practice.  You will be—your experience of practice—your practice will change at that moment.  You have—anyway, you that kind of feeling, you know, when—before—when you get stick, when you sleepy [laughs] you will wake up.  That is, you know, conversion.